Post by ie on Mar 16, 2007 1:10:02 GMT -5
I know Chris has said his thoughts on this movie a couple of times, and C-Dan even posted a timeline of it a while back...
Dense and esoteric. I still don't really get it, but it would be great to see more movies like without (a) typical plot events like explosions, sex, violence, dramatic death sequences and with (b) more thought involved. Sure, you get into some of that Top 10% tier of movies category and you see less of (a) and more of (b), but I mean in a wider context; it's good to see in a movie that isn't terribly obscure.
Christ, it took me so long to find your post, here is a timeline for the for the film that might help people understand the film better.
But I recommended this movie to a friend of mine, who doesn't post at forums sorry, and what he had to say was really quite interesting.
Before going in, I told him about how "Anybody who claims they fully understand what's going on in Primer after seeing it just once is either a savant or a liar," and so he really went to town with that idea. And unlike most of us, he saw the movie in little bits. He was working, so when work was slow he'd watch a little bit of Primer until someone AIMed him.
In general terms, he said that it was an induction problem, which I didn't fully understand myself, even after he gave me an example.
He told me that he didn't fully understand the movie, but that the important thing was not the things about the stock market, but how many times they went in and out of the box. Basically, the important information was covered over by less important information, so you'd be thrown off guard.
Concerning the savant or liar bit, he said that the reason why that is true is because you'd have to be taking notes on every single thing throughout the entire movie, either mentally or on paper, in order to understand what was going on. He also went off on a joking tirade about how movies you're not suppose to take notes during a movie because you have to do that everywhere else in life, and that you're suppose to be able to enjoy movies. (Even though he has some damn fine taste in movies, I'd say.)
Also, he said that the reason why it's so complicated is because it goes by so quickly.
So, I doubt you're going to go in a fourth time, Chris, but for interested parties, maybe what my friend said might help. Just take 'er easy, and if she's easy, take 'er twice... No wait... just try to watch the movie in bits and try to analyze what's going on; maybe on the second time through.
criterionmaster said:
ie said:
Primer - 9/10Dense and esoteric. I still don't really get it, but it would be great to see more movies like without (a) typical plot events like explosions, sex, violence, dramatic death sequences and with (b) more thought involved. Sure, you get into some of that Top 10% tier of movies category and you see less of (a) and more of (b), but I mean in a wider context; it's good to see in a movie that isn't terribly obscure.
Christ, it took me so long to find your post, here is a timeline for the for the film that might help people understand the film better.
But I recommended this movie to a friend of mine, who doesn't post at forums sorry, and what he had to say was really quite interesting.
Before going in, I told him about how "Anybody who claims they fully understand what's going on in Primer after seeing it just once is either a savant or a liar," and so he really went to town with that idea. And unlike most of us, he saw the movie in little bits. He was working, so when work was slow he'd watch a little bit of Primer until someone AIMed him.
In general terms, he said that it was an induction problem, which I didn't fully understand myself, even after he gave me an example.
He told me that he didn't fully understand the movie, but that the important thing was not the things about the stock market, but how many times they went in and out of the box. Basically, the important information was covered over by less important information, so you'd be thrown off guard.
Concerning the savant or liar bit, he said that the reason why that is true is because you'd have to be taking notes on every single thing throughout the entire movie, either mentally or on paper, in order to understand what was going on. He also went off on a joking tirade about how movies you're not suppose to take notes during a movie because you have to do that everywhere else in life, and that you're suppose to be able to enjoy movies. (Even though he has some damn fine taste in movies, I'd say.)
Also, he said that the reason why it's so complicated is because it goes by so quickly.
So, I doubt you're going to go in a fourth time, Chris, but for interested parties, maybe what my friend said might help. Just take 'er easy, and if she's easy, take 'er twice... No wait... just try to watch the movie in bits and try to analyze what's going on; maybe on the second time through.
