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Post by criterionmaster on Mar 11, 2007 1:28:23 GMT -5
Not much about the film other than Tim Roth and Michael Madsen are cast, and Tarantino is thinking about Adam Sandler, Eddie Murphy, and ARNOLD! WWII film as well, should be stunning. Share any information/thoughts you may have. imdb.com/title/tt0361748 |
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Post by Clark Nova on Mar 11, 2007 13:38:25 GMT -5
i thought the whole thing was just cancelled, seeing as how this project's been on the shelf for what seems like years now.
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Post by criterionmaster on Mar 11, 2007 20:37:13 GMT -5
Tarantino has been working on it for years now, yes, but he has said that this is a possibility after Grindhouse, and Madsen already is cast in the role of "Babe". I also think he has finished most of the script. (Which is rumored to be EPIC)
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Post by PTAhole on Mar 12, 2007 5:08:58 GMT -5
Last I heard it was 600 pages.
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Post by malicious32dll on Mar 12, 2007 9:34:24 GMT -5
I really dont get tarantino's movies and I really dont understand why they're so "epic". For instance, look at Grindhouse, I think he is making one of the films in that. I just dont get it.... those movies look really retarded, I know I know I know... "Thats the genius and brilliance of it" but, overall I just dont get the concept of "So, bad its good" because when you think about it, that mindset doesnt really apply to any other art form at all... You've never been to a concert and said, "Wow, that was really bad.... Hahha HA h ah ah ah ah hahh ah aha ha" Then began to think of the concert as a classic or good. Same with art, well.... you could kinda make the arguement that lines of paint (like a Jackson Polluck "painting") is so bad and weird its good.
Overall the fact still applies for movies... I hated both Killbill movies, they were depressing and overall I just hated most of the weird ass crazy shit in them. His new one looks to be just as corny and apparently "Brilliant" so, I just dont get why people are into biker chicks with an m16 as a leg....
kinda posted this rant in the wrong thread, but whatever, it applies to Tarantino... Sooooo, its topical... Yes yes yes before you blow up I did like pulp fiction and resevior dogs.
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Post by criterionmaster on Mar 13, 2007 9:00:42 GMT -5
I really dont get tarantino's movies and I really dont understand why they're so "epic". For instance, look at Grindhouse, I think he is making one of the films in that. I just dont get it.... those movies look really retarded, I know I know I know... "Thats the genius and brilliance of it" but, overall I just dont get the concept of "So, bad its good" because when you think about it, that mindset doesnt really apply to any other art form at all... You've never been to a concert and said, "Wow, that was really bad.... Hahha HA h ah ah ah ah hahh ah aha ha" Then began to think of the concert as a classic or good. Same with art, well.... you could kinda make the arguement that lines of paint (like a Jackson Polluck "painting") is so bad and weird its good. Overall the fact still applies for movies... I hated both Killbill movies, they were depressing and overall I just hated most of the weird ass crazy shit in them. His new one looks to be just as corny and apparently "Brilliant" so, I just dont get why people are into biker chicks with an m16 as a leg.... kinda posted this rant in the wrong thread, but whatever, it applies to Tarantino... Sooooo, its topical... Yes yes yes before you blow up I did like pulp fiction and resevior dogs. They are epic in length, dialogue, development (character), homage’s, good actors, characters, and so much more. I don't understand how someone could not understand "so-bad-they're-good". The people who don't understand it, obviously haven't even experienced it. These are homage’s to early Grindhouse cinema (God this is getting old having to explain this), when films were made to exploit a certain thing: violence, nudity, kung-fu, ridiculousness, hell, even arthouse (at one point Godard was a popular director in some areas). Tarantino and Robert Rodriguez loved these films, and Rob came up with the idea because Tarantino was basically doing this at his house, he would make a DVD with, lets say, the Street Fighter (triple feature), where he would mix trailers for old exploitation films in there (which are a gift from God by the way), and Rob was just like, "hey, let's do this". So they decided to make films like these, and make their own trailers to put in the middle. Yes, it does apply to almost all art forms, and I apply it all the time. Have you heard the term "guilty pleasure"? It is the same thing, whatever makes that "guilty" can also be called bad, and if you like it in any way, then it would be "so-bad-it's-good". Just look at Shatner's "Mr. Tambourine Man" cover, it is terrible, yet it is so good and funny. Or Hansen "Mmmbop" (which I think is great) could be looked at that way, or Power Rangers, or the artwork on The Cure's self-titled album, and SOO much more. If I laugh at how bad something is (or anyone does) then chances are it is “so-bad- it's-good”. "Depressing"… wow. Two of the most fun films I have ever seen in my whole fucking life depressing to someone (and the ending to Vol. II is so happy). Just go and watch films like Tokyo Drifter, Sword of Doom, Branded to Kill, Harakiri, etc. This film is to show his love of films like those, how could the Crazy 88 battle be depressing? Also, you could look at films like I Spit on Your Grave, Thriller, or other revenge films. You should be rooting for Kiddo (Uma's character) and wanting her to "win" or whatever. These films are about as weird as my left [insert anything], they come no where near as weird as like anything, but if you think they are weird, it should be a positive thing, doing something different than you are used to, which a lot of times, is a positive aspect of film. If you don't understand why a guy likes a hot, bad ass bitch in a biker girl uniform with an m16 for a leg, then you need to get your head examined. That is fucking amazing, and I can't wait to see how he pulls it off, not to mention she is using that leg to shoot fucking ZOMBIES. There is no combination sweeter. At least you like those films, since you would have to get a smacking if you didn't. Two of the best films I have ever seen. *I provided links to films you might now know |
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Post by malicious32dll on Mar 13, 2007 12:26:17 GMT -5
... Lord of the Rings. The series is epic in length, dialogue, development, good actors, characters, **AND** the director managed to not turn the charaters into transformers and also avoided sacrificing belivability (which goes hand in hand with seriousness and reason). Now I know your going to post back with 100's of movies that that are fucked... BUT... also have "seriousness and meaning". All in all that doesnt matter we're talking about Killbill, and blarg... ggrriin-ndhouse... Because overall he's, according to your rationale, doing over what many people have done by trying to be individualistic in his style of filmmaking... So, technically, you main point contradicts itself (He's original/epic/"the best"/ by how weird it is)
Not to mention that you didnt really touch the base of my arguement that other art forms like art: can't really be considered "good" if their bad. It doesnt matter if their funny.... overall its a mental condition EXCLUSIVE to you... Now, granted, you may be able to find a few other friends that think it is oddly funny, but all in all it was, in most cases, not the framers intent.
No, I dont understand why a guy would like that... because it's dumb. *crossapply what a said at lunch*(for the rest of you.... too bad. I'm too lazy)
Yes I have experienced it (God this is getting old having to explain this) I've seen killbill, all that etc. What exactly does that have to do with anything anyways? That doesnt really explain in the least how a film could be considered "So bad its good"...
Overall this is an endless debate. Cheers!
EDIT: Fucking hate proboards... screw it you can figure it out.
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Post by criterionmaster on Mar 13, 2007 13:02:16 GMT -5
The Lord of the Rings films are also epic in scope, not to mention the stories are mainly designed as epics. It was you who said his films are epics, or asked why they are called that. I just told you why some people may call them that, but I don't necessarily care about what they are as long as they are good. In fact, most people when the word 'epic' is mentioned, think of BIG-budgeted blockbuster epics, which in most cases on this forum, are looked down upon. I get tired of a film needing to have a meaning all the time, Godard, one of my favorite film directors and one of Tarantino's major influences, NEVER has meanings in his films, which is what makes the so good. Films are sometimes meant just as entertainment. Now, if you don't like kung-fu films, or kung-fu in general, then Kill Bill probably isn't for you. Which brings me to the many points of Kill Bill: to entertain, the power of woman[en], and the strength and what a person will go through for their daughter, and so on. Not that I care about those. Just look at the second one though if you don't like kung-fu, it is a drama about a woman trying to get back her daughter. People don't apply it to other art forms often times, but that doesn't matter. I said, I often do, as do other people. This should clear most up for you. Just scroll down that page to where it explains all this, or you can just read up on 'Cult Films' in general, since there is a board about it. EDIT: To comment that one thing about Tarantino not being original. His homages are always done with his own twist, and often times he improves upon what he is paying homage to. He is mainly original for his scripts, and his dialogue. Before him, not mainy, if any, wrote like he does, now 20 movies a year come out like his films. And also his ability to direct his actors, and so much more. I will go on if you want... zombies + hot woman + guns + blood and gore = my dreams Just read the above article, and then go from there. It should help explain, but remember these types of films are an acquired taste as well, and not everyone will like them. I fixed your original post.  |
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Post by malicious32dll on Mar 13, 2007 13:49:51 GMT -5
Thank you for fiksing it! As, I said before in the introduction thread imma noobie around here
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