Blackmoses

[blackmoses]

[captainofbeef]

UGH Balthazar, that fucking donkey, plus the Doors, newsflash, its not that great of a movie.

[captainofbeef]

I AM NOT. Do not disgrace me with such talk!!!

[criterionmaster]

It's you...he can't be a snob without having seen Balthazar yet. And plus he is one of the least snobby people on the forum. Music on the other hand...

[captainofbeef]

NOOOO, i refuse.

[agentknight]

I am so glad you like Total Recall. Just because it has Schwartzy in it doesn't make it a "dumb action movie" or anything. It's actually one of the most perfect pieces of cinema ever.

[lordofdance]

agentknight said:

I am so glad you like Total Recall. Just because it has Schwartzy in it doesn't make it a "dumb action movie" or anything. It's actually one of the most perfect pieces of cinema ever.

I think Schwarzenegger's greatness began and ended with Commando. Though I haven't seen Verhoeven's early work, I'm pretty sure Showgirls is his greatest achievement.

Total Recall a perfect piece of cinema? I just don't know. I guess it depends on what perfect represents to you. I admit the part where Arnold rips that guy's arms off was brilliant. I think about that often.

[captainofbeef]

Top 3:
1. Band of Outsiders
2. Ran
3. To Kill A Mockingbird

Bottom Three: (still like the last two)
1. Spirited Away
2. The Doors
3. Basket Case

[criterionmaster]

You like Eternal Sunshine more than Pulp Fiction, that is a little extreme. Trust me, the experience of watching Pulp Fiction the first time was at least enough to make it better than that film.

[criterionmaster]

How could you forget what an impact that film had on you and your film taste? Seriously, without that film your taste would be so much different, and so much worse. You were obsessed with that film for the longest time, that should at least mean something. The nostalgic level should be exploding.

[Clark Nova]

great job on your part too.

Best:

- Ran
- Ikiru
- 2001

Worst (in my most humble opinion):

- Eraserhead
- Rushmore
- Clerks

[criterionmaster]

blackmoses said:

Alright, I watched half of THX, I have seen that film now. I have also seen Children of Paradise because I watched the first part. You have not seen all of the Decalogue, but yet it's on your list.

Well grade THX already! Now that's a masterpiece, that last shot, oh God! And Children of Paradise is seperated in two parts, you could say you have seen the first part (the name slips me) and that would be fine. For The Decalogue you don't have to have seen it all, since each one is seperated, a lot of people do the same thing as me. I guess I will put on my list "The Decalogue Parts 1-5" now.

And you didn't comment me about Pulp Fiction. Even if you find out a film is terrible, if you liked it as much as you liked Pulp Fiction it should bring back memories, hence being nostalgic. Just like Home Alone does for me. Why do you act like it is the worst film ever now? I will argue more later...

[criterionmaster]

Worst:
Videodrome
The Doors
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas or Attack of the Killer Tomatoes

Best:
400 Blows
2001
Untitled

You have some films I find to be overrated, and not really deserving of your list. Other films I feel are in there because you *can't think of what to say other than that you are trying to be cool* or for some reason you feel obligated to include it (The Doors mainly). The film is flawed, very. An entertaining film, but I don't go throwing good films on my list just because they are about my favorite band (your comeback will be: that you like it SOO much!1!11!).

My two favorite things about your list is Basket Case and your number one being a film that I showed you, and a film that if I hadn't shown you at that exact moment in your life wouldn't have been your favorite. If you had seen another movie that was just as good and went to your number one (like 2001), then saw The Graduate it would have been like #2 or whatever. That is pretty cool. And I like that there are so many films on here that I showed you, and that you having seen all the movies on your list is in some way relating to me, and you wouldn't have seen any of them without me. Except that unexplained 1999 remake of North by Northwest.

[criterionmaster]

blackmoses said:

You know it is the 60's North by Northwest. I don't know why you even said anything.

How am I trying to be cool? I say nothing about you trying to be cool with your list(when you OBVIOUSLY are!)

Whats with the explanation points with the number 1 in them? Is that supposed to mean something? I do like the Doors(movie) a lot and I think it is a good movie. Which is why it is on my list. Remember I am not like you and just put films on my list to try to be cool. Whats so flawed about the Doors that it shouldn't be on my list?

All you ever say is "I am trying to be cool". Shut the fuck up. Thats all you ever say! If you think I am trying to be cool then what the hell do you call your list?

That North by Northwest thing was a joke, obviously.

No, I am not trying to be cool. All the films on my list are deserving of the place they are at.

The numbers were a joke. A "good movie," exactly my point. It is just good, the film is overlong. It drags in places, you know that, hell everyone knows that. The only thing that keeps those parts from being crap is the music, since it is obviously good. If it lost 30 minutes the film would be much better. It gets lost in its own wildness. I feel that it is on your list because The Doors are your favorite band, and not because it is one of your favorite films.

I even said that is all I can think of to say, I can't describe what you are. Your opinions change too rapidly making it seem like you are being swayed by other people (or their opinions), or just finding out something. I don't know…it just seems like you try to be just different in some instances. I am fine with being different, but, not as much as you are. It really all comes back to Pulp Fiction and The Beatles, and all that jazz (using the phrase, not talking about the genre of music). Whether you like those things or not is not the problem, it is the way you went about not liking them. It was so "all-of-a-sudden." Now I know you like The Beatles, since you have been reminded of their greatness and have put them back higher in your list, where they should have been in the first place. But other movies it just seems like you like them, then don't like them. I don't really know if I am explaining this right, maybe someone can help. But you just have that little bit of "trying to be different" in you, which I often call trying to be "cool." You understand? As it is very subtle what you are doing, it makes it hard for me to actually explain it.

Back to The Doors, I was just saying that you know there are better movies, but because your favorite band is The Doors, you put it as one of your favorite films. I know CoB knows what I mean, as well as other people.

I like this debate, we should continue it, and maybe with some other people's input.

[criterionmaster]

blackmoses said:

I am not trying to be cool ether. All the films on my list are deserving of the place they are at.

I put the Doors(movie) on my list because it is about my favorite band, it has my favorite music in it, and it is fun to watch. That is why it is on my list. I would probably put a movie about Bob Dylan on my list to. No Direction Home, which is a movie about Bob Dylan, will most likely go on my list. Why? Because it is about one of my favorite bands, it will have great music, and it will be fun to watch. A Hard Day's Night will probably be the same. And that is what I like in my movies; about somthing I like, great music, and fun to watch. If a movie was about somthing you like, had great music, and was fun to watch would you like it?

I do like being different. But what other people say has little affect on what I think. Like right now you are trying to get me to take the Doors of my list(not exactly "take it off" but that it is to high), but I don't care what you say, I like the film to much, just like you with Home Alone, no matter how bad people say it is you still like it or with Wassup Rockers. Pulp Fiction I do not like, yes I liked it before, but I also liked bad music before. My opinion can change and it didn't just change like that, I know you think it did but it changed over a period of 2 years, and then one day I just told you I don't like it anymore. It just wore off on me. As for the Beatles. I liked them but I put some bands above them on my list and you guys go nuts! I love the Beatles and I was just mad that you and Tim think they're so great when Led Zeppelin can easily be better then them. And yes their are movies I like then don't like, just like you. You said Aliens is better then Alien at one point and now it just changed.

What I am saying is I don't do stuff for no reason, if I don't like somthing then I say I don't like it and if I do like it then I say I like it, wether I liked it at one point or not, opinions can change and they do. Do say you like stuff you don't or don't like stuff you do, wether you did like it or not like it at one put? No you don't. You just need to deal with stuff somtimes, but it is good to say somthing because maybe the person needs to think more about what you are saying.

That is the most well-written thing you have ever written, may be the longest as well.

It is your list, so obviously you can put films where you want, so just take all the following as “constructive criticism.”

The Doors may be your favorite band, and you may not have realized this and just typed it, but the film probably doesn’t have your favorite music in it, I am sure some movie like Untitled, 2001, or Dazed and Confused (just some examples) would actually be your favorite soundtrack; just because The Doors are you favorite band, doesn’t make a movie full of all Doors music your favorite soundtrack. And No Direction Home is actually a perfect film, unlike The Doors, so it probably will be on your list. In fact, even if I didn’t love Bob Dylan it would still be a great film. My point was that you feel obligated to put the film on your list for the fact that it is about your favorite band, and not because it is actually better than the films below it. And yes, if a film had all those things I would LIKE it, but I wouldn’t put it so high on my list.

Well for those two examples, and all others you could come up with, I recognize that the film has flaws and don’t rank it among “perfect films.” I don’t like how you treat Pulp Fiction like “once you develop taste in ‘good’ film it becomes a bad film.” One day my friend, one day, I will watch Pulp Fiction with you again, just like the first time, the time that opened your mind to what could happen in a film. The time you were literally shot in the face with the greatness that is Pulp Fiction, mirroring the Marvin scene in the film almost exactly. And my friend, this will change your opinion (that is so easily changeable), change it for the better, change it back into the love for a movie, or at least the like for a movie, that you shouldn’t have stopped liking in the first place! I am glad you admit that us liking The Beatles so much is what affected you opinion on it, because that’s what I figured, and it kinda proves my point: that your opinion can be easily changed because of stupid, insignificant things like Tim and I liking it/them so much. Please remember, like I said, I seriously don’t have a huge problem with you putting Zeppelin above The Beatles. And as for Alien vs. Aliens, my mind must have been clouded, that was such a stupid mistake. Alien crushes Aliens in every way, although Aliens is still good.

Your last sentence makes a good point; I try to help people when it comes to something I feel this strongly about. I will help you realize that Pulp Fiction is still a great film when we watch it sometime. Speaking of sometime (isn’t there some chat going to happen with the film?)

[The Anti-Snob]

Dude, Joel, Pulp Fiction is a masterful, flawless film; a triumph in dialogue. I'd accuse you of sheer snobbery for not liking it, but you've got Basket Case so high on your list that I suppose it wouldn't be a valid argument.

Full, detailed plot synopsis of Jim Morrison's experience throughout The Doors: "I'm drunk, I'm nothing; I'm drunk, I'm famous; I'm drunk, I'm dead." Wow. Could've been shorter.

Seriously, though, you like what you like. I'm not the biggest fan of The Doors as a band, honestly (well, that's not entirely true; I love the bluesy stuff, but not so much the psychedelic crap), but if it's your favorite band and there's truly nothing else influencing your decisions, then rock on and don't lower it one notch.

-Dan

[agentknight]

How exactly is Pulp Fiction a flawless masterful film. It doesn't take a genius to steal from the work of Godard and Lynch and then pulverise it into a sloppy, sugary milkshake ripe for mainstream consumption.

[captainofbeef]

How does Pulp Fiction steal from LYNCH of all people??

[agentknight]

Blue Velvet ear scene/Stuck In The Middle With You? The way the punchy, matter-of-fact dialogue combined with the sureal-funny violence? The bandaid on Marcellus Wallace's head? Come on!

[dontdigonswine]

Yeah, and the fact that they both recorded their movies on film. Total ripoff. :-P

[kiddo]

That ear-thing link is weak. Just admit it.

[captainofbeef]

The link is so weak, you know it doesn't exist. Tarantino has NEVER mentioned Lynch at all when talking about the directors that influenced him. Just because Lynch is one of your favs, doesn't mean that everyone rips off his work. Pulp Fiction or the rest of Tarantino's work has very little to no Lynch influence.

[criterionmaster]

blackmoses said:

What the hell does it matter how well written something is. As long as you no what I am saying then who cares how it is written. You are stupid. You are like "you used "there" wrong". This is what I said "Their are very few movies that might be gorier than this one.". Do you not understand what I am saying because I used "their" instead of "there"? No. It still makes perfect sense. I could see if it made no sense but it is fine. Also what does it matter how long something is? I don't write a lot. You know I don't write a lot. So is it necessary to say "that was the longest thing you have ever written"? O I see. That is funny. I don't write a lot. Then one time I do and you say that was the longest thing you have ever written. Don't say things that don't need to be said.

I didn't say that the Doors(movie) has my favorite soundtrack. I said it has some of my favorite music in the movie. Obviously there(did I use that right? Because you wont be able to understand what I am saying if I don't) are films that have soundtracks I like better then the Door, but the Doors definitely has one of my favorite soundtracks. I don't feel obligated to put the film on my list for the fact that it is about my favorite band. Yes, that is one of the reasons it is on my list and it is also on my list because it has a lot of stuff I like in my films.

We will watch Pulp Fiction sometime. You need to get it through your head that opinions change all the time! Your opinion changes just as much as mine. There are countless bands/films that you used to like that you don't anymore or like less. What are you telling me? That you never liked something and then didn't like it or didn't like something then liked it? Lets take Star Wars episode IV. You gave that a ten before. Now you give it a nine. Why?? Because Yoda isn't in it!!! And you specifically said "that is your ONLY reason"! I can't see how you can take a point off of a movie because someone isn't in it. But thats your reason. Alright so lets say you saw the movie in 1977. So it would be a ten from 1977, until 1980 when episode V came out and you saw Yoda?? That is easily the dumbest thing I have ever herd in my life. I give Superman Returns a 6/10(you think I give it a low grade because I am trying to be cool and that I am going to try to deny that it was at least fun). Well lets see. the first about 3 quarters of the movie were good(not great). Their were some things I liked. The part with the plain about to crash. I thought that was great(my favorite part of the movie). And the other parts of the film(besides the end) I thought were not very interesting and not that fun. Movies that are fun to me are the Graduate, Midnight Cowboy, Ran, the 400 Blows, Star Wars, North by Northwest, Basket Case, Band of Outsiders, Fear and Loathing, Vertigo, the Doors, Au hasard Balthazar(yes, I thought this was fun), the Cranes are Flying, and a ton of other stuff like those. Those movies are fun to me. Superman Returns was not that fun at all. Like I said the the whole movie besides the end was just good. And I didn't like the end at all. So if their was a movie that you didn't think was that fun, had few parts you liked in the first half, and had an ending you didn't like. Would you like the movie that much??? And you just say I am trying to be cool. When you are the one trying to be cool giving something like Star Wars IV a nine.

I am making a list of my favorite bands soon and we can talk about the Beatles then. And when I first put Zeppelin above the Beatles you did have a problem. But then after a while you calmed down.

For Aliens, you just say your mind is clouded, and that was a stupid mistake. But that doesn't matter. You still liked it more and your opinion changed. Do I go crazy because you changed your opinion? No, I don't. I don't because everyones opinion changes all the time. Opinions can change at anytime. No one just says something to try to be cool. And you just don't realize that.

I was just saying that I was glad it was written-well, that you actually took the time to write it good. It makes it much easier for me to respond to. I could understand it; I just said it is harder to understand it. If every word is spelled perfectly, and the grammar is all right, then it is much better/easier to read. I was just saying that you mixed up “there” and “their,” which wasn’t a huge deal, more an observation, until you started arguing with me. Saying it was right and what not. You could have just said, “Oh,” but instead you denied it. Not meaning to sound like the longer the post is always better, I was just surprised you came back and actually said something instead of just calling me “an idiot” or something, that was all I meant by it being long.

Ah, I thought you meant that by your favorite music you meant it was your favorite soundtrack, my bad. And yes, I agree, it is a really good soundtrack. I actually think I remember some other songs besides The Doors, maybe I am wrong though. It just doesn’t seem “worthy” of being above so many other better films in my opinion. Dazed is better, don’t know how they rank on your list lol, just wanted to say that.

I am just saying that for you, your opinion keeps changing, not just once, but always, and for stupid reasons sometimes. Obviously if I would have seen Star Wars when it first came out it would have been great, part of the reasoning behind liking a film is the experience you have/had while watching. But for some reason when I watched it with you that time I wasn’t as entertained as I once was, and my partially joking excuse being “the absence of Yoda.” Obviously there must be something else, maybe having seen it so many times or something, but for Empire I just got so fucking giddy when Yoda came on lol. My smile was like the fucking Grinch. Plus, I need to decipher between the two, and since my favorite of them is Empire I give it the higher grade. (NOTICED: “herd” would be like a herd of cattle, “heard” would be the one you want to use) For Superman Returns, it was a theater experience so I can somewhat see why you weren’t too impressed and you don’t have any connection with Superman having not seen any of the other films or anything. But that is nothing I care about enough. (NOTICED: “Plain.” That white shirt you are wearing is very “plain”, that “plane” just crashed.) Some of those movies aren’t as fun as they are masterfully made (Ran for example). That is funny you find Balthazar fun which would be completely either not paying attention to what the film was about, or just being ignorant, as it is “one of the most depressing films ever made.” Again, see above for the Star Wars/Superman Returns comments.

The main problem I had was that it was an obvious attempt to try to piss me and Tim off by doing it, whether you actually like them more or not, it was just the way you went about doing it that was so fucking irritating. I seem to remember multiple times you saying something to the effect of “Beatles suckk!”

Well first off, you don’t go crazy because you actually agree. But secondly I don’t hate Aliens, I said it’s a 9/10, so my opinion only slightly changed, which I said wasn’t a problem, sometimes opinions change, but my mind is now pretty much set, whereas yours is easily changed by things. No one except you does stuff like that, and I hope you read that “cool” basically meant “different.” And people do do that, just like you and your Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction switch-a-roo(s), which opens a whole new bag though, that we will eventually get to. There are so many cases of you switching opinions, switching back, etc. People see them, at least I do. Many times you just try and be different, you hated Pulp Fiction before, then realized it was good, now all of a sudden hate it again, and even worse than last time. And the only thing that will stop you from liking it again would be your own ego, now that you don’t like it, you have to not like it forever just so you are right and I am wrong. But I hope you start liking it again. Maybe someone at school you hate will also hate the film and then you will have to say how great the film is. Lol…maybe

[agentknight]

Ah, thanks for the applause.

[criterionmaster]

blackmoses said:

Worst
1. Pulp Fiction (hate this film)
2. Rear Window (nothing aginst this movie, just don't like it)

Oh God, now you "don't like" Rear Window? And you got to admit I was working on you with Pulp Fiction when we were at Wendy's, and that was just from memory, we weren't even watching the film or anything.

[eatawiiner]

Top3:
Eraserhead
Balthazar
A Woman Under the Influence

Bottom3:
Truman Show
Big Fish
The Doors

This list is scary. The Doors should be nowhere near Balthazar, but this is your list and I say good job.

[blackmoses]

I am working on my list, it should be done in a few weeks.