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Post by blackmoses on Dec 29, 2006 16:43:20 GMT -5
Talk about the master here!
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Post by blackmoses on Dec 29, 2006 16:44:19 GMT -5
Bruce Springsteen is mind-blowing! Easily one of my favorite!
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Post by captainofbeef on Dec 29, 2006 16:50:04 GMT -5
He is one of the best artists of all time. He has made so many great records (Born to Run, Wild, Innocent, and the E Street Shuffle, Nebraska, The Rising, etc etc.) He is like a preacher live in concert, he captivates the audience and just brings the house down. But there is much more to Bruce than just electric live performances and catchy hooks. His lyrics are amazing, totally capturing the American dream on his happy records and likewise, plunging to the depths of the human heart with his acoustic records. He is the best overall songwriter since Dylan. An American artist through and through. He will never be forgotten and even in his sixties, he is still putting out great records. Long live BRUCE!!!
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Post by criterionmaster on Dec 29, 2006 17:14:02 GMT -5
"Born to Run," "Born in the U.S.A.," and "Uptown Girl" rank among the worst songs I have ever heard. Don't say "oh the lyrics are so good," because the songs suck to me. PTAhole is paying me to listen to Born to Run all the way through soon, although I have heard some songs from it already. And I have heard a lot of other songs that I don't like at all, but none as much as those three.
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Post by criterionmaster on Dec 29, 2006 17:23:53 GMT -5
EDIT: "Uptown Girl" is still one of my most hated, but that is Billy Joel.
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Post by captainofbeef on Dec 29, 2006 17:33:33 GMT -5
HAHA, just shows how much you know about music. Uptown Girl by Bruce Springsteen? LMFAO.
How about you give me a decent reason why you don't like the songs? Not, "Oh, they are too poppy and 80's like." I don't understand how anyone can not like these songs. They are so classic and catchy. The songs suck to you because you have been brought up in a different time listening to bad music. Nu-metal is fun music to you, well to most people, Bruce is fun music. He is uplifiting and gets you on your feet faster than anyone else in the world.
Your bullshit opinion about Bruce pisses me off. You don't like Born to Run or Born in the USA because they suck to you. Does that explain anything at all? No, it doesn't. How about listening to the lyrics and the music behind the lyrics. The songs are well crafted, the lyrics are excellent. You can say you don't enjoy the songs (which I find hard to believe) but you respect Bruce as one of the greatest artists of all time and I will accept the opinion. Lets hear what you have to say.
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Post by criterionmaster on Dec 29, 2006 17:55:32 GMT -5
Have you heard the way he says "baby we were born to run" or how many times he utters what could be the most irritating lyric of all time "born in the U.S.A."? I can't believe I have to explain why those songs suck; I can't believe you can't just tell why I would hate those. It fucking baffles me how anyone could like "Born in the U.S.A."s chorus. I hate the songs. I also hate the way he sings, hence the reason I hate all his stuff. And the sound of all his songs, despite his lyrics being good, the way they are presented with his voice and the overly loud booming pop sound that he presents them in is just not something I can't listen to. I can’t ever listen to his songs because of the sound. It’s loud and overdone in my opinion, and not something I would ever listen to. It reminds me of people like Bon Jovi, who I also hate. Not a fan of “big” songs like these either, there may be some exceptions though. I’ll take Bob Dylan’s lyrics any day over his. Is that what you were looking for? And yes, I do love some nu-metal.
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Post by captainofbeef on Dec 29, 2006 18:32:28 GMT -5
Listen to Born to Run, songs such as Jungleland, Backstreets, Night, Meeting Across the River, and Thunder Road have almost no pop in them at all. Born the Run the album is a complete masterpiece. Bruce and the band put so much work into that album and it totally shows. You are the first person I have ever met to say that he sucks. Seriously. First person ever. My dad wants you to speak to him about Bruce because he can't believe you don't like him. So, when you come over next week, you and he are going to have a little chat over some Bruce.
O, and another thing, most of Bruce's records don;t sound like Born to Run or Born in the USA. Born in the USA is a protest song against the Vietnam War and was originally recorded acoustically. You must hear that version, then you will realize how great of a song it is. Greetings from Asbury Park sounds like Dylan circa Highway 61 Revisited. The Wild, the Innocent, and the E Street shuffle is bar band music at its best. Darkness on the Edge of Town is inner soul examination at its best, Nebraska, The Ghost of Tom Joad and Devils and Dust are folk records with sprinkles of rock thrown in. The Rising is an answer to 9/11, some of the songs on that record as heartwrenching. His new record, The Seeger Sessions, is old time country, with some extra Bruce swagger thrown in. Something tells me you would like him more if you hear these records
Sure, some of his records are presented with a big sound because he himself is a big person. He commands the stage like no one else in the history of music, besides Mick Jagger of course. His band is a big rock band, they need a big sound. You don't like the way he sings?? Are you kidding me?? He has outstanding vocal range, he can whisper effectively and he can also reach those high notes, even into his sixties.
You really still haven't convinced me why you don't like him. From what I have deciphered, you haven't heard enough Bruce to form an opinion. In fact, I think you have dismissed him off hearing two songs that are considered hits, even when they do not contain his best music. Don't give me anymore of your bullshit until you have delved deeper into Bruce.
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Post by criterionmaster on Dec 29, 2006 19:14:22 GMT -5
Listen to Born to Run, songs such as Jungleland, Backstreets, Night, Meeting Across the River, and Thunder Road have almost no pop in them at all. Born the Run the album is a complete masterpiece. Bruce and the band put so much work into that album and it totally shows. You are the first person I have ever met to say that he sucks. Seriously. First person ever. My dad wants you to speak to him about Bruce because he can't believe you don't like him. So, when you come over next week, you and he are going to have a little chat over some Bruce. O, and another thing, most of Bruce's records don;t sound like Born to Run or Born in the USA. Born in the USA is a protest song against the Vietnam War and was originally recorded acoustically. You must hear that version, then you will realize how great of a song it is. Greetings from Asbury Park sounds like Dylan circa Highway 61 Revisited. The Wild, the Innocent, and the E Street shuffle is bar band music at its best. Darkness on the Edge of Town is inner soul examination at its best, Nebraska, The Ghost of Tom Joad and Devils and Dust are folk records with sprinkles of rock thrown in. The Rising is an answer to 9/11, some of the songs on that record as heartwrenching. His new record, The Seeger Sessions, is old time country, with some extra Bruce swagger thrown in. Something tells me you would like him more if you hear these records Sure, some of his records are presented with a big sound because he himself is a big person. He commands the stage like no one else in the history of music, besides Mick Jagger of course. His band is a big rock band, they need a big sound. You don't like the way he sings?? Are you kidding me?? He has outstanding vocal range, he can whisper effectively and he can also reach those high notes, even into his sixties. You really still haven't convinced me why you don't like him. From what I have deciphered, you haven't heard enough Bruce to form an opinion. In fact, I think you have dismissed him off hearing two songs that are considered hits, even when they do not contain his best music. Don't give me anymore of your bullshit until you have delved deeper into Bruce. Okay, I will talk to him. The only ones I know who don't like them are my parents. I was happy to find out they at least didn't like him. Thats one of the main things I don't like, it sounds like they put too much into songs. And they sound overproduced, its that sound among others that I don't like. 'Bout time we come over. Well I don't like country so I probably wouldn't like that. But I am not against hearing it. Some of that stuff I have heard, but it is more his approach and how he sings his songs, I have no problem with his lyrics. Although he reminds me too much of bob lyrically sometimes, but not a lot; it sounds like he was influenced by him though. I will listen to some of his stuff just so you can see my reaction in person, even though blackmoses and ptahole already have. Not necessarily his voice but the way he sings. His voice with the music is just not my type of a good sound. He probably is a fine singer. I have heard a couple songs that aren't hits; also I have heard "Thunder Road" and others. I think I am deep enough in shit to know not to go any further. I listened to some of the songs people say are his best, hated them with a passion, don't feel I need to go any further. But I want you to play me some of his stuff, and I want paid to listen to Born to Run album, just so you can see I don’t like him, although I won’t lie if I actually do like some of the stuff you play. Don’t know if I commented about all the stuff, I am going back and forth talking to blackmoses on AIM and this so I may have missed something.
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Post by captainofbeef on Dec 29, 2006 19:29:16 GMT -5
You know, whatever. I just don't understand you guys sometimes. I just don't give a shit anymore. The band is very raw at times, I don't know how you could think that they are overproduced on songs like Backstreets and Night. You probably haven't heard that stuff though.
The way he sings. Hmm, the way he sings. I got no answer to that one. He changes the way he sings on almost every other song he has ever played so, I don't really understand how you don't like so many styles of singing.
Blackmoses and PTAhole are different then me when it comes to listening to music. Tim knows probably nearly as much about music as I do, but he is not a trained musician and doesn't know how to dissect songs (he may know how, but I'm just guessing here) And Joel has not heard nearly as much music as me. When you are listening to a song with me, it will be your job to dissect song by song, telling me why you didn't like the song, what was wrong with the vocal delivery, what was wrong with the band etc etc. I am a challenge that I hope you are ready for.
I said before, you were not brought up listening to the right music. Pop music ISN'T bad music for the most part. Most 70'spop music is quite good in fact. Bruce and the band produced pop music in the 70's not the 80's. And his early records do not sound like 80's music. He is in no way overproduced on any record, its just him and the band going into the studio and producing music.
I will also play you his 3 disc live CD when you come over. The songs on that record are played live and you will see that the band sounds nearly the same live as in the studio. Raw, full of energy, and completely powerful. You Can Look (But You Better Not Touch) and Rosalita are powerhouses, even you cannot deny their power. And if you deny them, there will be a Q&A like you have never experienced before.
And I am not paying you to listen to what I view as the greatest piece of recorded music of all time. That just fucking wrong. You should know enough about my musical opinion by now to listen to what I have to bring to the table. And if you are a stubborn ass about it, then you are just a fool.
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Post by PTAhole on Dec 30, 2006 6:11:11 GMT -5
Springsteen is barely pop music, Dan. Shut up. You sound like an idiot.
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Post by criterionmaster on Jan 8, 2007 8:04:06 GMT -5
What I believe is called "my home town" is easily one of the worst songs ever. I don't understand how anyone could like that, and if you can't see why I don't like that you must be blind.
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Post by captainofbeef on Jan 8, 2007 9:37:00 GMT -5
You don't like it because you don't like good music. Its that simple. I don't feel like arguing with you about why you don't like the song because your musical taste is inferior. You just don't like the synthesizer. Thats the only reason you don't like the song. Don't give me any garbage about how he sings or something like that because that would not be true. My Hometown is a good song. It has some good lyrics, some good music, and some good singing. Its not a masterpiece, but it is in no way one of the worst songs of all time.
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Post by blackmoses on Jan 8, 2007 12:13:54 GMT -5
Dan doesn't like the song because he thinks it is boring. Dan doesn't like boring songs, therefor he doesn't like the song. But I need more then "it is boring". Is their something wrong with the lyrics, the music? You just don't like Bruce because you don't like people that love their country like he does and are singing about their country a lot.
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Post by blackmoses on Jan 8, 2007 12:24:08 GMT -5
You just like have something against people like him.
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Post by sacrilegend on Jan 8, 2007 12:42:26 GMT -5
sorry guys, I don't enjoy Bruce Springsteen that much either. But it's okay for me, since I'm not American, and that kind of patriotism kind of turns me off.
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Post by criterionmaster on Jan 8, 2007 13:01:56 GMT -5
He told me not to mention his voice being terrible, listen to the song, there are my reasons. He sounds like a fucking drunk retard, I hate the way he sings. I don't have anything against people who like him, I just don't see how. Plus, why should I like songs that I don't like? Just because people tell me I should like this crap doesn't mean I have to. The lyrics are barely existing, he just says the same chorus so much, and the way he sings that makes me sick. I really don't see how someone could like that song, even beed said it wasn't amazing, and he thinks bruce is great. forget who sings the fucking song, i hate it. if bob dylan sounded like him, i wouldn't like it. Oh yeah, and what music?
Finally another member who admits to hating him.
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Post by sacrilegend on Jan 8, 2007 13:07:37 GMT -5
Exactly! I haven't found anything profound in any of his stuff to justify his huge following. It sounds like a load of rubbish to me.
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Post by captainofbeef on Jan 8, 2007 13:25:24 GMT -5
He told me not to mention his voice being terrible, listen to the song, there are my reasons. He sounds like a fucking drunk retard, I hate the way he sings. I don't have anything against people who like him, I just don't see how. Plus, why should I like songs that I don't like? Just because people tell me I should like this crap doesn't mean I have to. The lyrics are barely existing, he just says the same chorus so much, and the way he sings that makes me sick. I really don't see how someone could like that song, even beed said it wasn't amazing, and he thinks bruce is great. forget who sings the fucking song, i hate it. if bob dylan sounded like him, i wouldn't like it. Oh yeah, and what music? Finally another member who admits to hating him. I hate to tell you something, but Springsteen is technically one of the best singers of all time. His voice and range are better than almost every singer who has ever existed. My Hometown is not one of Bruce's best songs. Not by far. But it is in no way a bad song. The lyrics are excellent and the music is minimal enough to let Bruce's voice shine. And you compare him to Dylan constantly. Dylan and Springsteen are both lyrical geniuses and Springsteen's first album is similar to Dylan. But you are overlooking the fact that Dylan CAN'T sing. Seriously, do you think that Dylan is a better singer? Cause if you do, you are retarded. His voice is very raspy and nowadays he can barely make it through a song without his voice cracking. Springsteen's voice is still powerful and he is still going strong.
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Post by blackmoses on Jan 8, 2007 13:28:36 GMT -5
He told me not to mention his voice being terrible, listen to the song, there are my reasons. He sounds like a fucking drunk retard, I hate the way he sings. I don't have anything against people who like him, I just don't see how. Plus, why should I like songs that I don't like? Just because people tell me I should like this crap doesn't mean I have to. The lyrics are barely existing, he just says the same chorus so much, and the way he sings that makes me sick. I really don't see how someone could like that song, even beed said it wasn't amazing, and he thinks bruce is great. forget who sings the fucking song, i hate it. if bob dylan sounded like him, i wouldn't like it. Oh yeah, and what music? Finally another member who admits to hating him. I don't even know if you are talking to BeeD or me. But who told you not to mention his voice being terrible? So what about the song don't you like. Be more specific. I know you don't like how he sings you have stated that about 15 times. And you just don't see how what? No one is making you like Bruce Springsteen. I know why you don't like him and it is because he sings about the U.S.A. and stuff like that. When has he said the same chorus? Again, I know you don't like how he sings. I think you would like the song if someone else sung it. Lets say Slipknot sung the song. And it had a great pit and you couldn't even understand the lyrics. You would love the song. By music I mean, the guitar, piano, saxophone, or what ever instruments are being played.
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Post by blackmoses on Jan 8, 2007 13:31:44 GMT -5
Bob Dylan's voice is so much better then Bruce Springsteen's it isn't even funny! Bob Dylan has one of if not the greatest voice I have ever heard and Bruce Springsteen's voice doesn't even touch Dylan's!
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Post by captainofbeef on Jan 8, 2007 13:37:02 GMT -5
Bob Dylan's voice is technically worse than Springsteen's. Thats all I'm trying to say. You make like it better subjectively, I don't have a problem with that. But Springsteen has more range and tone that Dylan does.
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Post by blackmoses on Jan 8, 2007 13:44:45 GMT -5
I guess, but I still disagree.
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Post by captainofbeef on Jan 8, 2007 13:53:51 GMT -5
Have you ever heard Dylan howl like Bruce does during the end of Jungleland?? That's cause he technically cant.
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Post by blackmoses on Jan 8, 2007 13:56:32 GMT -5
He might not be able to now, but he could in his prime!
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Post by criterionmaster on Jan 8, 2007 15:52:34 GMT -5
He told me not to mention his voice being terrible, listen to the song, there are my reasons. He sounds like a fucking drunk retard, I hate the way he sings. I don't have anything against people who like him, I just don't see how. Plus, why should I like songs that I don't like? Just because people tell me I should like this crap doesn't mean I have to. The lyrics are barely existing, he just says the same chorus so much, and the way he sings that makes me sick. I really don't see how someone could like that song, even beed said it wasn't amazing, and he thinks bruce is great. forget who sings the fucking song, i hate it. if bob dylan sounded like him, i wouldn't like it. Oh yeah, and what music? Finally another member who admits to hating him. I hate to tell you something, but Springsteen is technically one of the best singers of all time. His voice and range are better than almost every singer who has ever existed. My Hometown is not one of Bruce's best songs. Not by far. But it is in no way a bad song. The lyrics are excellent and the music is minimal enough to let Bruce's voice shine. And you compare him to Dylan constantly. Dylan and Springsteen are both lyrical geniuses and Springsteen's first album is similar to Dylan. But you are overlooking the fact that Dylan CAN'T sing. Seriously, do you think that Dylan is a better singer? Cause if you do, you are retarded. His voice is very raspy and nowadays he can barely make it through a song without his voice cracking. Springsteen's voice is still powerful and he is still going strong. I knew someone would bring this up, and I admit that Dylan can't technically sing, but I feel him while he sings. And I can connect with the music; it brings out emotion in me, and so on. I am not saying "oh Bruce sucks at singing" or at least I don't mean that, I am saying I don't dig his voice. He could be the best singer alive, if I don't feel anything during his songs, or his voice irritates me, then I won't like it. (Love the part in The Doors when that one dude says "I know you can at least sing better than bob Dylan. That is a classic.) I only compare the two because they seem so often compared, especially lyrically. Haven't heard Dylan's new album that much, but yeah I agree his voice is shot. Once I hear his new stuff more fully I will talk more about it. He told me not to mention his voice being terrible, listen to the song, there are my reasons. He sounds like a fucking drunk retard, I hate the way he sings. I don't have anything against people who like him, I just don't see how. Plus, why should I like songs that I don't like? Just because people tell me I should like this crap doesn't mean I have to. The lyrics are barely existing, he just says the same chorus so much, and the way he sings that makes me sick. I really don't see how someone could like that song, even beed said it wasn't amazing, and he thinks bruce is great. forget who sings the fucking song, i hate it. if bob dylan sounded like him, i wouldn't like it. Oh yeah, and what music? Finally another member who admits to hating him. I don't even know if you are talking to beed or me. But who told you not to mention his voice being terrible? So what about the song don't you like. Be more specific. I know you don't like how he sings you have stated that about 15 times. And you just don't see how what? No one is making you like Bruce Springsteen. I know why you don't like him and it is because he sings about the U.S.A. and stuff like that. When has he said the same chorus? Again, I know you don't like how he sings. I think you would like the song if someone else sung it. Lets say Slipknot sung the song. And it had a great pit and you couldn't even understand the lyrics. You would love the song. By music I mean, the guitar, piano, saxophone, or what ever instruments are being played. Reasons: - hate his voice - His lyrics don't do anything for me - Neither does his music - I get sick of him singing about America in the songs he does, not a huge problem - His music bores me often (especially “Jungleland” which goes on much too long if you ask me) - he is too poppy for me, not that he plays pop music, but that often times his music sounds too nice for me (whether that makes sense or not) - Other things to If Slipknot played the same exact song, I would hate it. If they added some kick ass guitar, some screaming vocals, and a bad ass breakdown, then I would love it. beed said something about me not mentioning his voice or something, I think.
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Post by PTAhole on Jan 8, 2007 16:38:59 GMT -5
I can accept your opinion on Springsteen, but I have one bone to pick with your argument. The way Springsteen is "patriotic" isn't in the flag-waving, "America is the greatest country in the world, fuck everybody else" way. Even his most overtly patriotic song, "Born in the USA" is somewhat ironic in it's patriotism. It's a cynical song about a Vietnam veteran, but it is also genuinely patriotic. I'm no longer trying to argue with you, just making a point.
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Post by sacrilegend on Jan 8, 2007 17:05:43 GMT -5
I can accept your opinion on Springsteen, but I have one bone to pick with your argument. The way Springsteen is "patriotic" isn't in the flag-waving, "America is the greatest country in the world, fuck everybody else" way. Even his most overtly patriotic song, "Born in the USA" is somewhat ironic in it's patriotism. It's a cynical song about a Vietnam veteran, but it is also genuinely patriotic. I'm no longer trying to argue with you, just making a point. I asume you were talking to me? Patriotic was probably the wrong word to use, I noticed that. I just can't appreciate his music. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. Thanks for not arguing!
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Post by PTAhole on Jan 8, 2007 17:14:08 GMT -5
I was kind of talking to both you and Dan, but its all cool.
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Post by captainofbeef on Jan 8, 2007 17:21:38 GMT -5
Bruce Springsteen is not patriotic at all. Born in the USA isn't even a bit patriotic, its a FUCKING protest song about America. Bruce no doubt loves his country, but he NEVER sings a fucking patriotic song ever.
I will never accept Dan's opinion on Bruce. Ever. Why? He says he hates his voice. Why? Seriously, is their a technical reason why you don't like his voice? I don't think their is. I have an admission that I'm gonna make right here. I don't like Bob Dylan's voice. But I love Dylan, his music, his lyrics, everything else about his music except his voice. I still love him. Voice should not prevent you from loving a persons music.
Bruce's lyrics are widely considered to be the second best lyrics of all time behind Dylan. They "don't do anything for you." Hmmm, WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN? Seriously, this has gone from being a minor annoyance to throwing me into full on pissed off mode. Why don't they do anything for you? Go read the lyrics of Nebraska or Blinded by the Light and tell me that those lyrics are not technically amazing. Don't even listen to the songs, just read the lyrics.
Musically, Springsteen's band is amazingly talented. Clarence Clemons is just an exciting performer on the saxophone and Steven Van Zant is exciting as well. The music "bores you." Why, cause you can't get in a FUCKING pit to it. Shut the fuck up about what bores you and what doesn't. Bruce's music is about as exciting as it can be (other than on his folk records). Jungleland goes on too long? Are you kidding me? That breakdown jam in the middle is musical perfection, then the wail at the end sends chills up my spine. If not for that two or three minute jam in the middle, the wail would not have the same effect.
His songs "are too nice." Do I even have to say anything about that? Seriously, Bruce is only classified as pop music on two albums. His other ten or so range from country to folk to rock, even to jazz sometimes. And just because Bruce doesn't growl over some distorted guitars his music is bad. Thats just laughable and shows how just how much you know about music.
Lets hear some of those other things Dan. Cmon, bring it on. I wanna hear some more of your bullshit opinion on one of the genuine great American artists of all time.
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