Nintendo Wii

[mixed]

Anyone interested??? It looks really cool and the price isn't bad. I've never owned a nintendo before (minus the gameboy color) so this should be a bit different for me. I hope the wireless control works like it claims, if it does I think this could be something brilliant.

[PTAhole]

I can't wait. I've always been a Nintendo fan, as opposed to their various competitors over the years. They have so many good games. Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, Mega Man (a Capcom game, but the best installments are on Nintendo systems) Nintendo also isn't charging 600 friggin' dollars for a gaming system. I'll probably get it sometime next year.

[mixed]

I think I will wait until it has been out for a while though, some info from the test plays say that red steel for example is a bit clunky and glitchy. Just want to hear the final verdict before laying down the cash...

[criterionmaster]

I think I will also go with this system, I agree with ptahole about the games. They are much better for Nintendo systems, and the other systems are way too expensive. But I don't really play games so this would be more for my brother and only sometimes me.

[criterionmaster]

I never play sports games, I am much more into Mario. The only sports game I ever play is Madden, and that doesn't happen often.

[captainofbeef]

Im perfectly fine with my Xbox and N64 thank you very much.

[ie]

captainofbeef said:

Im perfectly fine with my Xbox and N64 thank you very much.

At the moment, I'm content with online Flash games, but I'm also happy with my large NES, SNES, N64 and PS1 collections.

[criterionmaster]

[eatawiiner]

I picked one up on Sunday and have gotten 16 hrs of play into Wii Sports and Zelda combined. I have never had as much fun playing a game as I have with Wii Boxing. I hope EA comes out with fight night for the wii, cause if they perfected the controls it would be the best game ever.

Any1 else get a Wii yet? If any1 has Red Steel, what do you think?

[mixed]

Woah you lucky bastard lol

I want one, no money yet though!

[eatawiiner]

I have been playing non stop. Let me know if anyone gets one, i'd be happy to exchange friend codes.

[mixed]

Fiend codes? are u referring to online play? Any good? I talked to someone today who said the wii sucks ass, hope its not true

[PTAhole]

That guy is one of the few, my friend. Literally every single person I've talked to has said it was amazing. Plus, I played a little of the new Zelda, and I was quite impressed.

[eatawiiner]

There aren't any online games yet, and unfortunately the 1st online capable game will be pokemon related. The Friend Code enables you to send/receive photos, messages, and Mii's from Wii to Wii. Mii's are little dudes you create and use in games like Wii Sports. I got a Herzog and Hitchcock, Borat and Ali, many many Mii's having parades and shit like that.

[mixed]

Fucking wow! I've been at my friends today, playing with his Wii wii
I gotta say its mightily impressive! Wii sports is really simple but very addictive and actually rather authentic feeling. Bowling for instance. Golf is good fun and tennis is also neat. The remote is responsive enough and you get a right little work out from playing! My hands were sweating, I was sweating etc! Though its easy to get overexcited and hit things surrounding you, in my case beer cans, spillage on carpet wasn't good! But yeah, its great and I cant wait to get mine! Though they are very scarce here in the UK at the moment. My friend was a lucky bastard and managed to get a spare that a shop had in. Even the guy in the shop said something like 'your the luckiest guy in the world to get one of these!'

[eatawiiner]

Yea boy, I downloaded SMB and ToeJam & Earl on Christmas. The SMB is a perfect emulation of the original, and TJ&E is as funky as it ever was.

[mixed]

Thats great, I'm pretty jealous!

[eatawiiner]

Picked this up last night.



Best game for the Wii, my boss is lucky I came to work today thats fer fuck sure. Plus the schools are closing cause the roads are so bad so its the best day to come home from work and play vid's all night. Joy!

[eatawiiner]

Got this pre ordered, just waiting for the shipping confirmation.

[captainofbeef]

OO MY!!!! I must get a Wii. Paper Mario was one of my favorite games for the N64.

[eatawiiner]

This new one is a little different. Barely an RPG element, Nintendo has opted for the more structured level design. Not really as much exploring as it is clicking on the level that you want to play.
You should def. get a Wii, everybody should! They should be more available throughout the month, so keep an eye out at your local shops, and let ME know so we can exchange Friend Codes.

[malicious32dll]

Mario is overrated... no, I'm not crazy.

[PTAhole]

Dude, fuck off. You're such a game snob. You and your "PC Games are the only games worth playing," when in fact it is truly the other way around. Mario kicks the shit out of any PC game I've ever played, as does Zelda, Metroid most Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Street Fighter II, Goldeneye, Secret of Mana, Castlevania, Earthbound, Ninja Turtles 2-4, Skies of Arcadia, etc. I am bored by PC games, they have boring story, and boring gameplay. Sure, the graphics are fucking beautiful, but you know I never consider graphics AT ALL when looking to play a quality game.

[ie]

It should be noted that most of the games you listed are available on the PC. Most probably don't have a proper release, but you could play Skies of Arcadia on your computer if you really wanted to, just to prove this point I guess.

[malicious32dll]

ptahole said:

Dude, fuck off. You're such a game snob. You and your "PC Games are the only games worth playing," when in fact it is truly the other way around. Mario kicks the shit out of any PC game I've ever played, as does Zelda, Metroid most Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Street Fighter II, Goldeneye, Secret of Mana, Castlevania, Earthbound, Ninja Turtles 2-4, Skies of Arcadia, etc. I am bored by PC games, they have boring story, and boring gameplay. Sure, the graphics are fucking beautiful, but you know I never consider graphics AT ALL when looking to play a quality game.

... *shakes head*

Just remember Tim... you brought the following upon yourself....


O.K. where should I begin to set you right in your incredibly flawed, brainless, contrived, and overall stupid uninformed mess of a post... or mindset? Hell, I dont even know what it is.

Ok, I wont "fuck off" because I never said that "PC games are the only games worth playing". I'm not disproving your point entirely however... I do infact prefer PC games over consoles in most cases because I grew up playing them and have had generally better experiences with them than I ever had with link, small fat little plumbers who bang their heads on bricks for coins, or the Belmonts...

"Bored by PC games boring story, gameplay..." Um, good argument with substance you got going here.. :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.T.A.L.K.E.R.:_Shadow_of_Chernobyl
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_%28game%29
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_cry
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half_life_2
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prey_%28game%29
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.E.A.R.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_3
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thief_%28video_game%29
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitman_Series_%28Games%29
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_commander
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_of_heroes
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_%28game%29
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descent_%28computer_game%29http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myst
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starcraft
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_and_conquer
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake
To name a few...
o.k.
since your too lazy (I know) to click on any of the following links I'll add pictures due to the fact that the last post you made makes your complete lack of any form of argumentational/ educational skill blatantly obvious.

I start from the top:

//S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Shadow of Chernobyl//







Read the wiki article... this games got substance, gameplay innovation, atmosphere, and plot coming out its ass.

//Doom 1+2//



Invented the FPS genre pretty much nuff' said... and don't even come back with the response of "uhh duurrr, it was on nes.. durr" because that was long after the fact, and it didn't even do well on that system.

//Half Life//





I'm not even going to bother going into this, hell a heathen ,like you, could even attest to this games awesomeness.

//Half Life 2//





Amazing game... transformed gameplay by introducing physics, deep amazingly lifelike characters, that you as the character got incredibly attached to, AND incredible graphics which you were so quick to critique as well, Tim.

//Far Cry//





Ah, so many good innovative rememberable games so little time... Well, since everyone on this board seems so quick to embrace the "freedom" gameplay ideas presented in the GTA series to the point where this amazing game thats 110% better gets overlooked.

//Prey//



This recently released game I thought would never see the light of day, however, to my surprise it was resurrected and given a nice new coat of paint.

//F.E.A.R.//





Oh God... This game is truly remarkable... sure, even though its a latent rip off of the ring's "little girl" It still is pretty much the first game to ever present Japanese horror like that in a game... No I'm not reffering to the shitty port of this game that has recently released on the 360...

//DOOM III//



www.happypenguin.org/images/doom3.jpg
O.K. this game was pretty much like the second coming of Christ... but gave way to the next stage of Carmakian glory... his engine...

//Thief 1+2/gold edition//


Thief series... nuff' said... pretty much paved the way for all modern stealth games while at the same time presenting an amazing, cool protagonist with an awesome presentation and execution. And to think... you said PC games didnt have a plot....

//Hitman 1+2+3+all expansions//





Yes, hitman... ahh, the memories I have of spiking my targets drink with cyanide, taking out Russian generals from a Kilometer away with my Dragonav sniper rifle, and of pushing my targets over balconies... and getting out with style before anyone knew what even happened...

//Supreme Commander/Total Annihilation//





Hmmm, dont really remember you saying strategy games were any good on the PC... Well, they are. Heres a perfect example of a legendary one.

//Company of Heroes//





Another amazing strategy game

//Fallout 1+2//



Shouldn't even have to say anything... pretty much invented the post apocalyptic vision you see in so many movies today...

//Descent//



Amazingly innovative game for its time... right up there next to Doom

//Warcraft//



You should be dead if you dont know

//Starcraft//



what I said above

//Command and Conquer//



what I said above above

//Quake 1+2+3//







what I said above above above... Near the end of its series, it also redefined "deathmatch" with Quake 3.

//END//

The list goes on... so many more I could listed like Deus Ex, Rainbow Six, and Dark Messiah might and Magic to name a few more...

Its not really anything I have against consoles... its the fact that there are so many games out there that aren't known that are legendary, and pretty much every console kid is confined to this set amount of games and as a result are ignorant/utterly clueless of better games out there... its like they've all been programmed into robots who worship "Master Chief". The reason for this is mostly because kids dont think keyboards are any good for gaming at all... all they're concerned about is using the keyboard for going onto Myspace, and the like... It makes me sad... However it does make sense... The minute a decent shooter moves onto the xbox *cough* halo *cough* everyone begins to notice it and since theres nothing else out there for them to look to or give any kind of comparison to other than the likes of "Azurik" they automatically think its the best thing since sliced bread. AND THAT, is the only reason it maintains the status it holds today.
And I don't care if you dont look at graphics... The only reason your so opposed to new games is because your simply well, not good at them... I actually heard him say once... "Damn these new fangled 3-D games!!!!!1111!" I assure you it wasn't in a joking fashion either lol... It also doesn't matter if you don't look at the graphics when reviewing the worth of a game... seeing as how pretty every game I listed up there that was old and new didn't just have amazing gameplay, but ALSO graphics... they're just old, but still were once games that pioneered gaming and eventually led us to what we have today... that you seem intent on hating... Seeing as how you pretty much just said in your previous post that you disproved of all PC games I'm led to believe that your thought criteria when thinking about the goodness and worth in games in general (and probably many other forms of art like comicbooks, music, etc) goes something like this:

I. Must be at least [sic] half a decade old.
II. Must be an underground/overlooked game/ well known classic liked by a wide majority of people.
III. Based on your last post... MUST not be a PC game.
IV. Must have 16bit graphics
V. Must be a 2d side scroller... NO 3-D!!!
VI. Must not be on a new(er) console.
VII. Must be easy to remember.
VIII. Must follow the generalized love/hate trend in the Final fantasy series... EX.) I love Final fantasy X-X, but not FINAL FANTASY 32.

Gee Tim... I wonder what your favorite games are... well, based on the above criteria I guess I'll guess... hmmm, Zelda, Metroid most Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Street Fighter II, Goldeneye, Secret of Mana, Castlevania, Earthbound, Ninja Turtles 2-4, Skies of Arcadia...

AMIRITE?

Oh, and don't even get it into your head that I hate old games... I was playing Ultima and doom just like everyone else back in the day.

All in all, I care about graphics, I feel they are important to the immersion I need to feel within a game.. If I'm playing a first person shooter I just cant take my gun looking like a box with shit smeared all over it... I'm sorry you dont understand... But to the point where your making claims like "Im a snob" and i need to "Get the fuck out" I just feel its necessary to bring up my final point, games originated on the PC... Just 200 waxy paper cards with holes punched into them... that would be a game... Might I remind you that many games that fall into your "thought complex" *cough* disorder *cough* are ones that were on the PC originally before your beloved NES was even birthed outta Nitendo's slimy ass... enjoy.

Overall Tim... you should probably just

[PTAhole]

Okay, I probably didn't do my best job with my post, but the point I was trying to make was that everytime I talk to you about videogames, you often speak of how much better PC games are than console games. Not to say I dislike all of the games you listed. I love me some Doom, Half-Life, Thief, Warcraft, Starcraft, and Command and Conquer, and you KNOW I do. While I'll admit, I'm not all that great at a lot of new games, I do enjoy quite a few of them. In fact, out of the ones I listed, Skies of Arcadia, Goldeneye, many of the Zelda titles, many of the Final Fantasy titles, and a couple Metroid games are 3-D.
Do I hate PC? No, but I find it quite inaccessable for the average person (due to cost), and have found that I rarely have fun with the games that I play (outside of the ones I mentioned above). This could be because I dislike FPS in general (except for Half-Life, Doom, Wolfenstein, and Goldeneye). This genre seems to be the PC's bread and butter, and while I certainly respect that, I don't care all that much.
The new-fangled comment was meant as a joke, but it does have some truth in it. I DO prefer older games to newer games, for a few reasons. I started playing games on Super Nintendo, didn't get an N64 till 99. I played games like Super Mario World, Super Metroid, Zelda: Link to the Past, Mega Man X, etc. Do I find newer games more challenging? Yes, but I perfectly understand that that is no reason to bash them, but it is a good reason for me to prefer the older games that I have more fun with.
You say that no game I like could be made in the past ten years, when my FAVORITE GAME OF ALL TIME was. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time came out in 1998, sir.
And I never said that you hate old games, just that I think you put too much emphasis on graphics, as opposed to gameplay and story, which I feel are more important. Two different viewpoints, I suppose, equally valid.

[ie]

Actually, most of the Final Fantasy games are 2D. Sure, they may be mostly doing 3D shit now, and I didn't get a proper count so I only counted counted three more 2D games than 3D games, but still. Same with Zelda, except I was able to get a more accurate 9 2D compared to 4 3D games, including spin-offs and such.

We've talked about Goldeneye before. Not sure why mal didn't try to argue that point a little more, but maybe he already saw the other post and just figured it was done well enough there.


I want to further my mostly non-biased entries into this debate by agreeing with mal by saying that console games were developed from PCs. The only difference is instead of using a keyboard based controller - you can have more functionality with a keyboard, and it's easier to talk with people - you're using a controller - which I grew up on myself, so I have a bias there.


Now two couple arguments from my end:

PC games are not expensive. Sure, you need a nice computer, but you can think of that as an investment for doing other things, including watching your movies and getting your porn on. While you're not going to be getting the best out of the best, you can still play many demos for many games. On the other hand, how much is it going to cost you for a PS3 and one or two games? How long will it be before a PS4 comes along?

Newer games are much easier. Ever tried playing through any of the NES platformers? Sure, I haven't played any newer games myself, but I doubt there's even a tenth of the challenge.

[PTAhole]

I'm well aware that most Zelda and Final Fantasy games are 2D, and that's why I said "many" not "most."
I don't care if Goldeneye isn't considered better than most PC shooters, I like it better, so that's all that matters to me.
I apologize if I'm not willing to spend four grand on a computer setup, just so I can play some games that I don't enjoy all that much in the first place on it.
I'm not sure why I suck more at newer games. Most people do find them easier, I just can't grasp some of it.

[ie]

Error on your third point:
In my personal experience, a damn fine gaming machine only cost me $1000. A PS3? We will just go with $600. Games? More than this amount, but we'll just go with $50 each. That way, the estimates below will have enough breathing room to allow for "I don't mind playing a game for two years!" or "I really don't play that much anyways, so I wouldn't get that bored!"

Sure, you may get bored playing strictly demos on your $1000 gaming machine, but you can download free demos for... free and eventually you'll get bored of only playing eight games on your PS3 for the same price. Plus, I'm not sure how much Internet connectivity you get through a PS3, but I imagine at best it would be something like WebTV, which is not worth the price of admission. On the other hand, your gaming machine is apt for using the Internet, watching some movies here and there, and whatever else you feel like doing on a nice high end computer.

[malicious32dll]

ie said:

Error on your third point:
In my personal experience, a damn fine gaming machine only cost me $1000. A PS3? We will just go with $600. Games? More than this amount, but we'll just go with $50 each. That way, the estimates below will have enough breathing room to allow for "I don't mind playing a game for two years!" or "I really don't play that much anyways, so I wouldn't get that bored!"

Sure, you may get bored playing strictly demos on your $1000 gaming machine, but you can download free demos for... free and eventually you'll get bored of only playing eight games on your PS3 for the same price. Plus, I'm not sure how much Internet connectivity you get through a PS3, but I imagine at best it would be something like WebTV, which is not worth the price of admission. On the other hand, your gaming machine is apt for using the Internet, watching some movies here and there, and whatever else you feel like doing on a nice high end computer.

QFT... troof.

Anyways, how can you honestly judge games that you say you cant even play... Tim, you can hardly critique games now for not being innovative seeing as how your criticizeing the entire fps genre with the exception of X game X game and X game.... As I was saying, you can harldy criticize newer fps games for not being innovative when you yourself have this crazy notion that only a select amount of games in the past are good... and games should be just like them.. I'm not trying to twist your arm or anything by trying to force you to admit anything... I'm simply just pointing out where your unreasonable judgement of things you havent even played/have played/Cant play compare with the select group of games you worship.