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[captainofbeef]

criterionmaster said:

Okay first off I didn't call them pretentious before, well maybe I did, but I don't care either way. And the fact that you think I try to impress people by liking a movie, well I don't. I like movies I like, look I just watched a film, Ratcatcher, that I could have said was the best thing ever to impress Andruini who loves it and to impress all the other people who like it, but I said what I thought, now Andrew says he is going to come and rip my opinions apart, I don't care. It is my opinion. And the thing about going to see films because people say they are great is contradicting since you, and everyone else, does the same thing. Then we come back and say are thoughts.

I do think it is unfair that I listed something that isn't the bands fault; it is more the fans I hate. I don't like stuff that when people like it, they think they are all high and mighty for liking it. Obviously it doesn't always happen, but ptahole can agree with me.

Does there always have to be a reason for not liking something? What if you just don't like it? Plus I said I "didn't like his voice," which just happens to be the same reason you give for not liking many of my favorite bands (Cure, Smashing Pumpkins, etc.) so don't even give me that shit.

And the reason I like Korn more than Tool is because Korn actually make enjoyable music, in my opinion. And they have an energy, and there music makes me want to move. Tool's music just bores me, whether they are talented or not. Just like with you and Bunuel. You don't like his films but you know he is talented; well it's the same thing.

Also, you got to love those Ball Tongue lyrics; they don't try to make them good. If you liked mosh pits I am sure you would like Korn much more.

And saying that people do know something if they like Tool is insane. Someone could like Fergie and Tool, just because they like Tool doesn't mean they know something. I said when they like them they act like they know something, not everyone of course.

"If you are going to rip on a band, at least have something good to say. If not, keep your mouth shut."

Are you kidding me? I said my thoughts, whether you thought they were good or not. Just because I don't agree with you mean I shouldn't say anything? I can say whatever I want.

It's all opinion but if I wanted a band that sounded like Tool I would listen to Deftones, whether you agree or not.

I use the word pretentious when something is fake or forced, or just feels there for the sake of coolness. I use it when I need to use it; it’s not like the stuff I call pretentious I am the only one who calls it that; tons of people say the same stuff.

Don’t even come and say that I can’t discuss something if I don’t know as much as you about it. I could say that about discussing films or other things to you. I know what I want to know, just because I like bands you don’t doesn’t mean I don’t know about music.

I still feel you try to impress people with the films you watch, no matter what you say. Your "list" is a perfect example. I just have a hard time believing that the films on your top 20 are your top 20 favorite films. I think that if you were truly making a top 20 list, there would be tons of horror and stuff like Dazed and Confused, which you watched about 6 times a week over the summer. But instead, there is a lot of stuff that you say are your top 20 favorites. But I have a hard time believing that you would rather watch Titcut Follies than Devils Rejects.

There must be a reason for not liking something that has to do with media. If you don't like a song, there has to be a reason for not liking it. Thats what seperates men from beasts. You can decipher the sound and see what you don't like about it, if it be the vocals or the music or the production.

I have never said that I didn't like the Cure's vocalist or his voice. I respect the Cure. But I do not care for the subject matter or the arrangements of the Cure's music. So therefore, I do not like the band. It is true that I have said that I dislike Billy Corgan's voice. But there is a difference between disliking something and saying "it makes me sick." I would be interested to why you don't like Keenan's voice. What qualities do you not like about it??? As for Corgan's voice, its too flat and too nasal. Plus I don't think it fits well with the music. I also have other reasons for not liking the Smashing Pumpkins. I question their ability to perform live, which I think is the most essential part of being a band, and the way that they use electronic sounds during some of their songs. Overall, I DO respect the band, but not as much as I respect the other bands that I don't particurlary care for.

Let me get this straight. I do not want to turn this into a battle over KoRn. You know my opinion and I know yours. They do not have to be restated over and over again. The only reason I brought KoRn into this is because they are a good example of music that most people deem terrible, but you like it.

When did I ever say that I don't like mosh pits. I like mosh pits when I am moshing over something I am excited about. (like Pantera, Sepultura, or RATM) But I do not like to mosh over bad music. But once again, this is an opinion that you already know and I do not need to state again.

You can say whatever you want. You have that right. BUT, watch the way you say it and if you are gonna rip on a band that I am really digging at the moment without really backing up your dislike, expect a tongue lashing.

The thing about your use of the word pretentious, is that you use it all the time. I have heard you call Tool, Phish, Kicking and Screaming, Garden State, etc etc etc pretentious. And then thats the end of it. It frustrating because with the exception of Garden State, all the things that you have called prentious I usually love. Your use of the empty word pisses me off and incites rants most of the time. If I were you, I would avoid that vague word and try using something more descriptive. Your the one who wants discussion. So write twenty words instead of one.

I rip on your knowledge of music for one reason, I question how deep you delve into a band before professing that you hate them. I found out earlier about Phish that you had never heard a live Phish song. Hearing Phish is all about hearing them live and yet you profess hate for Phish without hearing the music which defines the band. I believe its probably the same with Tool. You heard 5 songs, didnt like any of them, and your done. If you don't like a band that everyone else likes, you should at least listen to two or three FULL records of that band before declaring you hate them. Who knows, what you find might change your opinion.

People can like whatever music they want. I respect people's opinions when they back up why they don't like the music and sufficiently prove to me that they have knowledge about the band. I just don't feel that you do that often, Dan.

[criterionmaster]

captainofbeef said:

criterionmaster said:

Okay first off I didn't call them pretentious before, well maybe I did, but I don't care either way. And the fact that you think I try to impress people by liking a movie, well I don't. I like movies I like, look I just watched a film, Ratcatcher, that I could have said was the best thing ever to impress Andruini who loves it and to impress all the other people who like it, but I said what I thought, now Andrew says he is going to come and rip my opinions apart, I don't care. It is my opinion. And the thing about going to see films because people say they are great is contradicting since you, and everyone else, does the same thing. Then we come back and say are thoughts.

I do think it is unfair that I listed something that isn't the bands fault; it is more the fans I hate. I don't like stuff that when people like it, they think they are all high and mighty for liking it. Obviously it doesn't always happen, but ptahole can agree with me.

Does there always have to be a reason for not liking something? What if you just don't like it? Plus I said I "didn't like his voice," which just happens to be the same reason you give for not liking many of my favorite bands (Cure, Smashing Pumpkins, etc.) so don't even give me that shit.

And the reason I like Korn more than Tool is because Korn actually make enjoyable music, in my opinion. And they have an energy, and there music makes me want to move. Tool's music just bores me, whether they are talented or not. Just like with you and Bunuel. You don't like his films but you know he is talented; well it's the same thing.

Also, you got to love those Ball Tongue lyrics; they don't try to make them good. If you liked mosh pits I am sure you would like Korn much more.

And saying that people do know something if they like Tool is insane. Someone could like Fergie and Tool, just because they like Tool doesn't mean they know something. I said when they like them they act like they know something, not everyone of course.

"If you are going to rip on a band, at least have something good to say. If not, keep your mouth shut."

Are you kidding me? I said my thoughts, whether you thought they were good or not. Just because I don't agree with you mean I shouldn't say anything? I can say whatever I want.

It's all opinion but if I wanted a band that sounded like Tool I would listen to Deftones, whether you agree or not.

I use the word pretentious when something is fake or forced, or just feels there for the sake of coolness. I use it when I need to use it; it’s not like the stuff I call pretentious I am the only one who calls it that; tons of people say the same stuff.

Don’t even come and say that I can’t discuss something if I don’t know as much as you about it. I could say that about discussing films or other things to you. I know what I want to know, just because I like bands you don’t doesn’t mean I don’t know about music.

I still feel you try to impress people with the films you watch, no matter what you say. Your "list" is a perfect example. I just have a hard time believing that the films on your top 20 are your top 20 favorite films. I think that if you were truly making a top 20 list, there would be tons of horror and stuff like Dazed and Confused, which you watched about 6 times a week over the summer. But instead, there is a lot of stuff that you say are your top 20 favorites. But I have a hard time believing that you would rather watch Titcut Follies than Devils Rejects.

There must be a reason for not liking something that has to do with media. If you don't like a song, there has to be a reason for not liking it. Thats what seperates men from beasts. You can decipher the sound and see what you don't like about it, if it be the vocals or the music or the production.

I have never said that I didn't like the Cure's vocalist or his voice. I respect the Cure. But I do not care for the subject matter or the arrangements of the Cure's music. So therefore, I do not like the band. It is true that I have said that I dislike Billy Corgan's voice. But there is a difference between disliking something and saying "it makes me sick." I would be interested to why you don't like Keenan's voice. What qualities do you not like about it??? As for Corgan's voice, its too flat and too nasal. Plus I don't think it fits well with the music. I also have other reasons for not liking the Smashing Pumpkins. I question their ability to perform live, which I think is the most essential part of being a band, and the way that they use electronic sounds during some of their songs. Overall, I DO respect the band, but not as much as I respect the other bands that I don't particurlary care for.

Let me get this straight. I do not want to turn this into a battle over KoRn. You know my opinion and I know yours. They do not have to be restated over and over again. The only reason I brought KoRn into this is because they are a good example of music that most people deem terrible, but you like it.

When did I ever say that I don't like mosh pits. I like mosh pits when I am moshing over something I am excited about. (like Pantera, Sepultura, or RATM) But I do not like to mosh over bad music. But once again, this is an opinion that you already know and I do not need to state again.

You can say whatever you want. You have that right. BUT, watch the way you say it and if you are gonna rip on a band that I am really digging at the moment without really backing up your dislike, expect a tongue lashing.

The thing about your use of the word pretentious, is that you use it all the time. I have heard you call Tool, Phish, Kicking and Screaming, Garden State, etc etc etc pretentious. And then thats the end of it. It frustrating because with the exception of Garden State, all the things that you have called prentious I usually love. Your use of the empty word pisses me off and incites rants most of the time. If I were you, I would avoid that vague word and try using something more descriptive. Your the one who wants discussion. So write twenty words instead of one.

I rip on your knowledge of music for one reason, I question how deep you delve into a band before professing that you hate them. I found out earlier about Phish that you had never heard a live Phish song. Hearing Phish is all about hearing them live and yet you profess hate for Phish without hearing the music which defines the band. I believe its probably the same with Tool. You heard 5 songs, didnt like any of them, and your done. If you don't like a band that everyone else likes, you should at least listen to two or three FULL records of that band before declaring you hate them. Who knows, what you find might change your opinion.

People can like whatever music they want. I respect people's opinions when they back up why they don't like the music and sufficiently prove to me that they have knowledge about the band. I just don't feel that you do that often, Dan.

Well my list is my favorite films, there are films I like a lot like bad horror films and Dazed and Confused, but just because I flip out over those doesn't mean they are my favorite. Usually my favorite films touch me in a way no others do, example being Pulp Fiction, which was the film that blew me away and got me into film. We even have quite a few of the same favorites. Just because a film is rarer doesn't make it better, but some just are. And it depends what you mean by rather watch Devil's Rejects over Titicut, because Titicut is very hard to stomach, so obviously I have more fun watching Rejects, but Titicut Follies just blew me away like no other documentary I have seen.

Well for some things it is just the fact it doesn't connect with me. If I don't feel anything towards a song or movie I don't like it.

It is at least good that you respect The Cure, they are so great lol. As for his voice it's more the mix of how his songs go from hard to less hard, that change of vocals when he is more whispering I don't care for. I don't know exactly if that’s what you want me to say? And there music feels like it is trying to be something, like creepy and I don't like it. Do you understand what I mean? I am not totally against his voice as I like it when he worked with Deftones, their voices blended so well.

I need to see you in a pit! Hopefully one day it will happen; that would be so awesome. Pits are more about the feeling and letting out aggression more than the music. When I am feeling something, blackmoses knows what I mean, I can basically mosh to anything. I can just let it all out, swing my fists, and don't give a damn.

Well when I use pretentious I try to give examples, it was very hard for me to remember specific examples in Kicking and Screaming, I think I came up with one...maybe, but just the overall film for me was pretentious. And I am not the first to describe the film like that either. And if I ever called Tool pretentious I must have been talking about what I stated above. Maybe I could actually say the David Lynch of music, where I feel they are trying to have like a creepy tone, or be different in some way. You know what I mean?

Yeah, like you dive into bands that deep before saying you hate them! I can tell what a band is like, for the most part, from a few songs. Find me a Tool song I can mosh to, or that you think I will like, I will listen to it. It is like Miike, I fucking hate the man, but he is respected so I don't totally discredit him, same goes for Tool. I don't like them but I will listen to them if someone tells me a song is great.

Maybe I will start saying “I hate Tool, based on the songs I have heard.” It is like that not seeing the full movie thing I brought up over in the John Waters thread, you really only have partial opinion when you haven't seen the whole film. But I feel this is different; do you need to see a whole director’s body of work, or know a lot about them to say you don't like them? No, I know we both do it. Same goes for music.

Like I said, give me some Tool, I will listen.

[captainofbeef]

Well, I have a different opinion about what constitutes a favorite film than you do. The films that are my favorites are ones that I want to watch over and over. But this is not a film thread, its a music thread. So enough about favorite films.

Yes, that is what I wanted you to say about his vocals. I don't feel that Tool tries to be creepy. They try to be heavy in a way that is very Sabbath-esque. And it works in my opinion.

I don't need to let out agression in a pit because I let it out every day during football practice. A mosh pit for me is more about feeling excitement and just sharing excitement with other people. Once again, different opinions there.

I do dive into well respected bands that deep before I state that I don't like them. I have heard the majority of both the Cure's and Smashing Pumpkins discography and I can clearly state that I don't like them. And I dont think you can make conclusions on a band based upon a few songs. What if someone was trying to get into Metallica and all they heard was the stuff of St Anger and they made a conclusion that Metallica sucked. You see what I mean?

[criterionmaster]

Yeah I do see what you mean. Even though I feel St. Anger is good.

When I played football there was much more pressure than excitement. And it was much harder for me to let out agression while playing. Mosh pits are just like, who cares what happens-type of shit for me. Go there and just let loose!

EDIT: Maybe someone should move all this into a Tool thread or something.

[ie]

I was going to say what Semen said about moving the discussion to a Tool thread, but it looks like it could have died down a bit.

[kiddo]

Wow, I must have missed something here. I can't say that I know a lot about music, but Tool is, for the moment, one of my favorite bands. I just love their music. it has something else than much else, something highly satisfying for me. More than that is unnecessary for me to say. I don'tr think I'm any good at discussing music taste - it's a mission impossible for me. Film is so different. But that may be the case for me only because I have read more and have a totally other perspective on film than I have on music.

[PTAhole]

The Who- Endless Wire
9.5/10 Really good comeback. I liked the second half (Wire & Glass) best.'

The Who- Live at Lyon
10/10 Recent live performance. They still sound stunning live.

Tenacious D- Pick of Destiny
10/10!!!! Holy crap! This is just as good as their first album. I MUST see the movie.

My Chemical Romance- The Black Parade
8/10 Surprising. I liked a couple songs on their last album, but this one is much better. A couple fall flat, and his voice can get somewhat irritating, but overall a pretty good album.

[captainofbeef]

My Chemical Romance? Blegh!

[agentknight]

Eeeeeeeeeeeemoooooooo.

[captainofbeef]

De-Loused in the Comatorium- The Mars Volta

10/10
Mindblowing. That is the only possible word that can describe The Mars Volta's major studio debut. Volta produce driving, forceful music that draws from every influence possible, from Classical music to Led Zeppelin to ambient and electronic music. This produces a unique sound and style that no other band has even come close to touching before. We should keep an eye on these fellows, they could turn out to be one of the best bands of all time.

The Buena Vista Social Club- Buena Vista Social Club

9/10
Flowing relaxing music that is perfect to listen to when you just want to chill out. Ibrahim Ferrer's voice is so soothing and the musicianship that backs it is flawless. Overall, a superb soundtrack for an interesting documentary.

[ie]

captainofbeef said:

De-Loused in the Comatorium- The Mars Volta

10/10
Mindblowing. That is the only possible word that can describe The Mars Volta's major studio debut. Volta produce driving, forceful music that draws from every influence possible, from Classical music to Led Zeppelin to ambient and electronic music. This produces a unique sound and style that no other band has even come close to touching before. We should keep an eye on these fellows, they could turn out to be one of the best bands of all time.

What'd'ya think of Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt, the final song off De-Loused in the Comatorium?

[PTAhole]

Yeah yeah yeah, I knew I'd get shit for that.

[captainofbeef]

ie said:

captainofbeef said:

De-Loused in the Comatorium- The Mars Volta

10/10
Mindblowing. That is the only possible word that can describe The Mars Volta's major studio debut. Volta produce driving, forceful music that draws from every influence possible, from Classical music to Led Zeppelin to ambient and electronic music. This produces a unique sound and style that no other band has even come close to touching before. We should keep an eye on these fellows, they could turn out to be one of the best bands of all time.

What'd'ya think of Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt, the final song off De-Loused in the Comatorium?

I thought that it was the best song on the record and that it was the best Volta track I have heard so far. (Haven't heard Frances the Mute yet, but I do have it, so its only a matter of time before I pop it in)

[captainofbeef]

Frances the Mute- The Mars Volta

9/10
An outstanding record from the Volta, but it doesnt quite live up to the standards set by its predecessor nor does it meet the excellence of the record that followed it. The use of more ambient music and less of the elements of rock and funk make for a less sensational album. Not saying that this is a bad record, its not, in fact its quite fantastic. Cygnus, The Widow, and L'Via'L Viaquez all are excellent tracks that sound like the Volta of De-loused. However, the suites that are Miranda That Ghost..... and Cassandra Geminni are more experimental and show a vast electronic music and 70's prog influence. They are both great tracks but I do not enjoy them as much as I do other Volta. I can't wait to move onto Tremulant and Scab Dates in order to complete my Volta voyage.

[mixed]

King of America - Elvis Costello

Great album. Excellent sound. The covers are pretty good also. Not as good as this years model but I haven't played this one to death yet. Stand out songs so far - 2nd full listening - Indoor Fireworks, Lovable, Beautiful mistake, little palaces and suit of lights.

[ie]

You still need to find the Live EP, and A Missing Chromosome, though. As do I...

edit: Oh yeah, A Missing Chromosome includes the Tremulant EP, but has some other outtakes as well.

[captainofbeef]

Physical Graffiti

10/10
The best Zep album. What most people don't realize about this record are that about half of the songs on this double LP are outtakes from previous sessions, Bron-Yr-Aur recycled from Led Zep III, House of the Holy from the album of the same name's sessions, and others. This just shows you how good Zep was. Even their outtakes can be put on an album and the album will still be fantastic. Of course, the stand out tracks on the record are the ones influenced by the music of the Middle East, Kashmir, In My Time of Dying, and the often overlooked Into the Light are all sprawling epics. But the blast of blues metal are just as good, Custard Pie, The Wanton Song, and The Rover are classic Zep at their finest. Overall, if you haven't heard this record, get out of your hole and find it.

Vitalogy

9/10
Pearl Jam's most experimental and darkest record could have been one of the top 10 records ever realeased, if it wasn't for the filler. Many of Pearl Jam's best songs are on this record, lets just give a list why don't we. Last Exit, Spin the Black Circle, Not for You, Tremor Christ, Nothingman, Whipping, Corduroy, Better Man, and Immortality. But the record is marred by Pry To, Aye Davanita, and especially Hey Foxymophandlemama, Thats Me. The are experiemental filler that the band might have needed to do in order to excercise their creative demons, but please keep it off the records. Bugs is a light hearted bit of filler that is very smart and quite entertaining. I think it is a great song. Satan's Bed is standard Pearl Jam, but standard Pearl Jam is still great. Overall, this is still one of the top 250 albums of all time and one of Pearl Jam's best, but it could have been much better

[captainofbeef]

Slayer- Reign in Blood

Essential metal. The fastest, hardest, athiestic heavy metal band that basically invented thrash along with "Tallica and Anthrax. Amazing to say the least, 10 songs in 28 minutes.

[PTAhole]

I love Slayer. Joel tells me that I should like shit like Devil Wears Prada if I like Slayer, because they're "basically the same band." Sorry to drag that in here, but it just reminded me of that.

[blackmoses]

They are completly different bands! You said you don't like Devil Wears Prada's screaming and I just said well Slayer screams. I don't care that you don't like Devil Wears Prada I just don't like when you say they suck.

[captainofbeef]

They do suck, they are possibly one of the worst bands I have ever heard. Slayer created a genre almost 25 years ago and The Devil Wears Prada and other bands like them are polluting it with garbage vocals and garbage guitar playing.

[blackmoses]

Yeah I can see you saying they suck but Tim said "the music is great but the vocals suck!".

[PTAhole]

I meant the keyboard is cool. The rest of the music sucks!

[blackmoses]

O, I thought when you said "the music is good" you meant the music is good.

[agentknight]

The Cure - Three Imaginary Boys - 9/10

An interesting, likable slice of post-punk, but it certainly doesn't compare to Wish and Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me, understandable considering it was their first album.

[Nomansvally]

The Band - The Band (1969)

i bought it 2 years ago and thought it was decent then I remember. I discovered it hidden in my room yesterday and I put it on earlier today and the music was much better than I thought back then. A very beautiful album with folk, rock and blues expressions.

VERDICT: 5/5 a geat surprise!

[misterbalco]

The music that has been poppin through my ears lately:

Electric Ladyland Jimi Hendrix
Kid A Radiohead
Sister Sonic Youth
Dolittle Pixies
Beck Odelay

[eatawiiner]

Picked up J-Dillas' last effort, The Shinning. I've never bought a Jay Dee album before, let alone recognize his production throughout the rap community. The Shinning is less than 40 minutes long, and it sucks when its over cause each song is extremely solid here. A lot of good guests. I've been looking into his work and think im going to pick up Dounuts next.

The Shinning - 8/10

[criterionmaster]

Elton John - Madman across the Water 10/10



Wow, just wow. I expected this to be good but I didn't think it would be this perfect. “Tiny Dancer” is quite possibly my favorite song ever made and has been for a while now, but I didn't expect to find other songs that were just as amazing. "Indian Sunset" blew my mind; its sound and melody just crushed me. And anyone who has heard Tupac's "Ghetto Gospel" this is the song they stole from. Also the title song, "Madman across the Water," was perfect too. Elton John is the master. His lyrics are so perfect. I will be buying this CD very soon.

The Beatles - Rubber Soul 10/10



Perfect in every way, I don't know what blackmoses was talking about when he said this wasn't perfect. How could you not like the first song? That is mind-blowing. I have listened to this CD now like 4 times. It ranks just a hair below Revolver for me.

[captainofbeef]

Its too bad Elton doesn't write the lyrics, Bernie Taupin does.